On his book Music, Math, and Mind: The Physics and Neuroscience of Music
Cover Interview of April 21, 2021
The wide angle
There are more styles of human music than there are human
societies. But underlying all of them, even paleolithic styles, which can be deduced
from surviving instruments in caves made from mammoth tusks, is an ancient and
direct line of study that was initiated by natural philosophers in China,
India, Egypt, and Greece. Their discoveries underpin the creation and
comprehension of music, but are unknown to almost all musicians, as their training,
understandably, has always been focused on learning the skills required to help
earn a living.
But the questions of, for example, why there are musical
scales, how instruments work, and the operation of the ear and auditory nervous
system, underlie all music extending back to prehistory, and in many cases,
throughout the animal kingdom. Indeed, one of the chapters is on music made and
listened to by non-human animals. One surprising message is that the nervous
systems of animals that seem very distant to us work very similarly to ours.
For example, the cortex of the ferret reacts specifically to different human
spoken phonemes, such as the sound of “th” or “f”, although this can’t be an
important aspect of their evolution. The brains of songbirds and frogs and some
insects react very similarly to some features of music, such as consonance and
dissonance, and they likely interpret some music in ways that are much closer
to ours than we suspect. On the other hand, some animals have extremely
different sensory systems, and it is possible that the equivalent music or
auditory communication in some moths are carried by the vibrations of leaves, a
form of sound hard for us to imagine, or for some fish and bees, by electrical
impulses, a sense that may be even more of a challenge to us to relate to.
While some of the topics covered on the book are very
ancient (for example, the ways that we use rhythm and syncopation in music), some
are extremely current and are undergoing rapid shifts. This book covers essential
questions; each chapter starts with these sorts of simple questions, and does
its best to address them, and to outline what we do or do not know. At the end
of each chapter is a listening section that outlines music that extends these
discussions. Most of these listening examples will be unknown to most readers, even
professional musicians.
The author with Richard Lair and the elephants and mahouts of the Thai Elephant Orchestra, the world’s heaviest improvising orchestra.
Some of the examples are from my own projects in both
experimental science and art. For example, in the Introduction, where I discuss
issues of training or self-taught approaches to making music, I suggest records
I produced of young children creating and performing their own pieces in
Brooklyn, Conkary in Guinea (a remarkable school run by the jazz saxophonist
Sylvain Leroux), the mountains of Guatemala, and New York’s Harlem, in addition
to English children coached by one of the pioneers of electronic music, Daphne
Oram. In the chapter on the parameters of sound, I refer to recordings of the
highest and lowest pitch singers and instruments, and my composition The
Most Unwanted Song, written following a survey of the most disliked
qualities in music. A chapter on the mathematics of rhythm refers to recordings
of ancient Greek, ancient Arabic, flamenco, and Bach’s music, as well as my
experiments with fractal canons. The chapter on animal music features many natural
sounds, including the justifiably famous recordings of humpback whale songs and
my construction of instruments for songbirds and for the Thai Elephant
Orchestra, a group of 14 elephants in northern Thailand who have recorded 3
full length CDs.
Much of this book is based on a class I gave at Columbia University.
It is taken by a very wide range of students, including freshman, and art
majors to engineering majors and medical students, even professors. I needed to
find ways to explain these concepts to all of them. Notably, professionally
trained musicians who have taken my class knew virtually none of the material: it
simply is not taught in conservatories and art and music programs. This
knowledge might however deepen their creative possibilities and the understanding
of artists and art lovers.
[T]he Holocaust transformed our whole way of thinking about war and heroism. War is no longer a proving ground for heroism in the same way it used to be. Instead, war now is something that we must avoid at all costs—because genocides often take place under the cover of war. We are no longer all potential soldiers (though we are that too), but we are all potential victims of the traumas war creates. This, at least, is one important development in the way Western populations envision war, even if it does not always predominate in the thinking of our political leaders.Carolyn J. Dean, Interview of February 01, 2011
The dominant premise in evolution and economics is that a person is being loyal to natural law if he or she attends to self’s interest and welfare before being concerned with the needs and demands of family or community. The public does not realize that this statement is not an established scientific principle but an ethical preference. Nonetheless, this belief has created a moral confusion among North Americans and Europeans because the evolution of our species was accompanied by the disposition to worry about kin and the collectives to which one belongs.Jerome Kagan, Interview of September 17, 2009
The wide angle
There are more styles of human music than there are human societies. But underlying all of them, even paleolithic styles, which can be deduced from surviving instruments in caves made from mammoth tusks, is an ancient and direct line of study that was initiated by natural philosophers in China, India, Egypt, and Greece. Their discoveries underpin the creation and comprehension of music, but are unknown to almost all musicians, as their training, understandably, has always been focused on learning the skills required to help earn a living.
But the questions of, for example, why there are musical scales, how instruments work, and the operation of the ear and auditory nervous system, underlie all music extending back to prehistory, and in many cases, throughout the animal kingdom. Indeed, one of the chapters is on music made and listened to by non-human animals. One surprising message is that the nervous systems of animals that seem very distant to us work very similarly to ours. For example, the cortex of the ferret reacts specifically to different human spoken phonemes, such as the sound of “th” or “f”, although this can’t be an important aspect of their evolution. The brains of songbirds and frogs and some insects react very similarly to some features of music, such as consonance and dissonance, and they likely interpret some music in ways that are much closer to ours than we suspect. On the other hand, some animals have extremely different sensory systems, and it is possible that the equivalent music or auditory communication in some moths are carried by the vibrations of leaves, a form of sound hard for us to imagine, or for some fish and bees, by electrical impulses, a sense that may be even more of a challenge to us to relate to.
While some of the topics covered on the book are very ancient (for example, the ways that we use rhythm and syncopation in music), some are extremely current and are undergoing rapid shifts. This book covers essential questions; each chapter starts with these sorts of simple questions, and does its best to address them, and to outline what we do or do not know. At the end of each chapter is a listening section that outlines music that extends these discussions. Most of these listening examples will be unknown to most readers, even professional musicians.
Some of the examples are from my own projects in both experimental science and art. For example, in the Introduction, where I discuss issues of training or self-taught approaches to making music, I suggest records I produced of young children creating and performing their own pieces in Brooklyn, Conkary in Guinea (a remarkable school run by the jazz saxophonist Sylvain Leroux), the mountains of Guatemala, and New York’s Harlem, in addition to English children coached by one of the pioneers of electronic music, Daphne Oram. In the chapter on the parameters of sound, I refer to recordings of the highest and lowest pitch singers and instruments, and my composition The Most Unwanted Song, written following a survey of the most disliked qualities in music. A chapter on the mathematics of rhythm refers to recordings of ancient Greek, ancient Arabic, flamenco, and Bach’s music, as well as my experiments with fractal canons. The chapter on animal music features many natural sounds, including the justifiably famous recordings of humpback whale songs and my construction of instruments for songbirds and for the Thai Elephant Orchestra, a group of 14 elephants in northern Thailand who have recorded 3 full length CDs.
Much of this book is based on a class I gave at Columbia University. It is taken by a very wide range of students, including freshman, and art majors to engineering majors and medical students, even professors. I needed to find ways to explain these concepts to all of them. Notably, professionally trained musicians who have taken my class knew virtually none of the material: it simply is not taught in conservatories and art and music programs. This knowledge might however deepen their creative possibilities and the understanding of artists and art lovers.